Why I like Colorado

[Canadian Nose]

sirwhilms said:

GG. You might want to get a new one of those. I still wouldn't make it a federal responsibility.

Leeves are a huge project, requiring Billions of Dollars. We live in a Federal System of States and Such, but the National Government still provides things like Healtcare and Protection, from Enemies and from most Natural Disasters.

What I said there was an extention of

IMO I don't think that should have been a job for the Corps. Of Engineers

Some other reasons include the fact that the issue of levees only concerns that state, so it should be the responsibility of that state, not the entire nation.

Hundreds of Thousands of people living in a city that can be protected is a National Problem. Did Katrina just affect New Orleans, or Lousiana? No, it affected the Nation. If you want to have the US work that way, than all of the Oil off our shores is ours, not the Nations. We get that money. Thats enough to fund our recovery alone, that money. Fine by me. When you cant drive your Car Next week because there is an oil shortage, we can talk about funding our recovery.

Before I even begin to respond to the first part of your post, I need clarification on "A nuclear Reactor blows up near your house, a place for the US Government to test bombs and such."

A place to TEST BOMBS? I assume you mean making them, not testing them by blowing them up on purpose.

Heh. oops.
I meant it to represent any Federal Facility that is deemed "Safe". Its not a perfect example, but its close enough. Telling people to "Pick themselves up" Is simply ignorant.

[ŞíŘ]

Leeves are a huge project, requiring Billions of Dollars. We live in a Federal System of States and Such, but the National Government still provides things like Healtcare and Protection, from Enemies and from most Natural Disasters.

Point taken.

Your example is close enough. Reminds me of the particle accelerator black hole thing in the British documentary End Day. Naturally because it is a British documentary, all of the Americans either do stupid things in the face of the apocalypse, or alternately they cause it by creating a black hole (which is scientifically infeasible).

The difference is that with a nuclear plant, you're not going to have a nuclear explosion. Even if control rods are totally removed and the reaction is unrestricted, I'm pretty sure they do not use enough fuel at a time to create an explosion larger than the building itself. (At least not anymore).

Basically, there is no example that actually fits the scenario present with a hurricane. But I understand the point you're going for.

[Church]

end day is making a good movie before didnt realize it was a documentary til i read the rest of your post, sorry to be off topic ><

[B8]

Oh do not worry I have lived through the open air testing of atomic bombs. Yup they did it and told us not to drink the milk as it was RADIOACTIVE. Dangerous levels for human consuption meant that the milk had to be thrown away. That was just the good old USA. Great Brittan and France also tested nuclear weapons in the open air along with Russia. They never warned us about the fact that there was more fallout from the tests over seas than from our tests. NOT A WORD OF WARNING!

Bah no one believes me when I tell them to prepare for destruction and death. Go ahead and live in a romantic age. Enjoy life - you too can be snuffed out.

[ŞíŘ]

The meaning of life is a question. Consequently, the apocalypse is an arbitrary event with no meaning either.

[B8]

Nope the meaning of life is meant for another thread. Your comment is a nonsequiter and irrelevant as you do not exist. You are a figment of my imagination and cannot do anything other than make noise or print words. You are an internet illusion.

BTW Colorado sucks up snow by the mountain load.

[ŞíŘ]

So all of that CSS pwning is imaginary too?

[B8]

YOu only pwn becsause I imagine you pwn. As you have not pwnd me in the last two weeks I will have to fire up the imgination and see what it holds for you.

Nope no pwning.

[Chu-Chu]

As B8 said, getting a bit off topic. Your existance is for another thread.

Colorado sucks, hurricans suck, and I win.

And that's all I have to say about that.

~Chu

[B8]

Colorado sucks, hurricanes suck, floods suck, governments suck up your money and give you a hard time.

Governments are like women - you cannot live with them and you cannot live without them.

A B8 original - "Taxes are not levied for the benefit of those taxed, they are levied for the benefit of some one else. Just who that some one is has yet to be determined."

"The difference is that with a nuclear plant, you're not going to have a nuclear explosion. Even if control rods are totally removed and the reaction is unrestricted, I'm pretty sure they do not use enough fuel at a time to create an explosion larger than the building itself. (At least not anymore)."

The chemical reaction of uranium hitting water generates hydrogen. Enough hydrogen and the containment can be breached leaving the whole matter moot. Also the form factor for a nuclear excursion is mostly wrong. At best you would get a low order fizzle with only a few tons to tens of tons of TNT.
TONS?

Nose you are still under the delusion that the governmnet is there to protect you from yourself. If you step in front of a truck you are going to get hit. No government can protect you from all forms of natural disaster or man made disaster. The New Orleans fiasco is a combination of both natural and man made disasters. We built New Orleans, and we built the levies. When a tornado comes you take shelter, which I am thankfull that you did when the hurricane hit. Your family did the right thing - they ran for shelter. The stinking mess is just proof that no government can protect every one all of the time. If a tornado was spawned during the hurricane it would have wreaked even the best levy. They have yet to build a tornado proof anything, except a hole in the ground. It is not a good idea to be bleow bround level when you live below sea level. The best advice I can think of is buy a surplus submarine, stock it well and lock the hatches when the storm stikes. As there are no surplus stores that have submarines avalable this is meant as a joke.

If a disaster hits the Chicago area I expect that tens of thousands or more likey hundreds of thousands will die like rats. Perhaps this is a low estimate, but it will wait to be seen if my prognostication will come true.

[Amy]

b8 said:

Governments are like women - you cannot live with them and you cannot live without them.

wow. harsh. and he raised two girls like this ladies and gents. see the abuse?

[Canadian Nose]

If a Country doesnt Provide for a Common Good of a State or City, than it causes Autonomous Nationalism. I dont feel connected with the rest of the United States. We have Senators voting on our recovery bills who haven't even been here. You cant learn this shit. You cant know how it smells, how it feels to look and see House after House of ungutted, untouched housing after 1 1/2 years. You cant be told that, you have to see it. And its absolutly shameful that I live in America. Im ashamed to be an American, not because of Iraq, or because of Bush, or because of our Foreign Policies, but because we fail. We cannot provide for a city, help a city on its knees, that gave its country so much as a major Port.

Its utterly depressing. I am ashamed to be a part of this hell-hole of Buracracy and Idiocy. And freak Ted Stevens, seriously.

[B8]

They did the best that they know in protecting you - they told you to get out.

The problem comes there is no way to protect all private property. If you want your property protected the only place that I know that they do that is in the military. Armed guards and razor wire fences. That is what you would have to have to be able to protect your property. Wait even miltary bases get evacuated some times. So no there is no guarantee of protection of private property. Disgusting? Yes! I would not want the governemt to protect my property for me. They did that in New Orleans by cofiscation of fire arms. Yes the government did protect them from theft but now refuses to return them to their lawfull owners.

MOther nature will win out over protection every time. All it takes is one small mistake and the best protection system will fail. It can be engineered out the gump stumpand it will still have to be properly installed by the lowest bidder. OOOOPPSS there I go again, that low bidder will lie, cheat, steal, obfuscate, or just not bother to foillow the directions.

Then again one little ittty bitty detail ovelooked will cause the whold thing to fail again, and again. So if you are looking to have a fail safe system - forget it. Random chance will just turn around and screw the whold system to hell.

Please, please, please, if they ever tell you that you are safe - run like hell for shelter as fast as you can. The life you save will be your own.

[Canadian Nose]

I'm past the leeves gramps, Im onto how they suck balls. They screwed up the leeves, fine, you know, governments make mistakes. You rectify those mistakes by not only saying you want to rebuild New Orleans, but by actually doing it. They just screw up, dont learn, and do it again. Its shameful. I know retarded children who could do a better job of handling this situation, and I'm only slightly exaggerating.

[Caboose]

Nose, I am utterly offended by your rash comparison of saying that retarded children could do better handling the situation than the government.

Those retarded children would at least try.

Dammit, I feel so torn... a Republican that favors New Deal-esque government...

"...to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."
Now where have I read that before...