Admin abuse=one less reg.

[massiveusername]

I've been looking for a good server with good people to play on regularly...we all know how hard it is to find a good server with mature admins. I though I had finally found one, however after playing on your server today, the search continues.

Azræl {haxed}" STEAM_0:0:6173335

At approx. 2:00-2:05EST today, 3/03, I was playing as -]GoldenGirls[-Dorothy and was kicked by the above admin for "arguing" with her. We were both CTs on Italy and she was the last remaining CT. Reguardless of why she didn't rescue the hostages despite going through T spawn, I voiced my opinion and switched to Ts because I don't want to be on the same team as someone only worried about their stats or K:D ratio. (see below)
Azræl {haxed} @ CT Spawn : do u think angel hacks flight??
Azræl {haxed} @ CT Spawn : shes number 1 and got that rank off me

The following was taken directly from my console(minus the spam)

*DEAD* -]GoldenGirls[-Dorothy : apparently hostages are no longer important.
Azræl {haxed} : hostages dont matter if the other person is sitting at hostage palce
-]GoldenGirls[-Dorothy : keep telling yourself that
(ADMIN) Azræl {haxed}: kicked player -]GoldenGirls[-Dorothy
You have been kicked by Admin
<-SavedbytheBell->A.C.Slater : whyd you kick him?
*DEAD* Azræl {haxed} : arguing with admin

^I urge you to check the server logs and see for yourself.

She had no tag on so there was no way of knowing that she was admin. Even if I had known, that is certainly not what any rational person would consider arguing and most definatly did not warrant a kick. I'm not sure if this is the way you guys want your clan represented or if you just give admin to any pre-teen that asks for it nicely...but like I said at the beginning of my post, I'll find a better server to play on with responsible admins. Good luck.

[Caboose]

LOL

Alright, one, Azrael isn't a girl.

2: How'd you get that last bit if you were kicked?

C - There is a little scrolly thingy at the bottom every now and then that says "Admin don't always wear tags..."

Cuatro = Angel is a good player, and I doubt he was saying that Angel stole the rank from him, more likely Angel got number 1 because of killing Azrael so much.

Five: Azrael isn't a pre-teen. I do, however, suspect that you are.

(3!) - You're coming in, complaining about this, and saying how horrible it is that you got kicked. Yeah, you did argue with the admin. Your response could have been taken as disrespecting the admin, so he had all the right to kick you.

Now QQ.

*edit*
BTW, I'm not Azrael.

[Amy]

caboose said:

LOL

Alright, one, Azrael isn't a girl.

2: How'd you get that last bit if you were kicked?

C - There is a little scrolly thingy at the bottom every now and then that says "Admin don't always wear tags..."

Cuatro = Angel is a good player, and I doubt he was saying that Angel stole the rank from him, more likely Angel got number 1 because of killing Azrael so much.

Five: Azrael isn't a pre-teen. I do, however, suspect that you are.

(3!) - You're coming in, complaining about this, and saying how horrible it is that you got kicked. Yeah, you did argue with the admin. Your response could have been taken as disrespecting the admin, so he had all the right to kick you.

Now QQ.

*edit*
BTW, I'm not Azrael.

(4) considering you won't post a real name, so I'm figuring this is no big loss... and if he did manage to win it, or loose it, by not getting the hosties, is it that bad? He wasn't sitting there camping the entire time.

btw, I'm not Azrael either, and i was there right at the tail end of this.

[Canadian Nose]

Amy, yours was 7. Gawd, can't count...

8) Is that really "disrespect" to garner a kick? I dont even know who Azrael is (Church?) but that seems like a crappy reason to kick someone. I say worse to you guys all the time, and even admins on other servers.
"Keep telling yourself that." garners a kick? Seriously?

Caboose, lets not create a section for complaining about Admin Abuse, and then heckle the people who post in it. He used it for its purpose, calmly, with details, and wether justified or not he doesnt deserve to be called a Whiner. Thats rude. *Pokes caboose in the ribs with Rude-stick*

[ŞíŘ]

If the story is true and has not been edited or made worse by omission... then I'd have to say that's pretty ridiculous. I am a pretty iron-fisted admin in my server but that is an absolutely stupid reason to kick someone.

On the subject of hosties - I'm not big on rescuing them if there's a teamate out there who will do it for me, but if it's up to me, I will rarely pass them up unless I know the enemy is not too far away. I prefer the faster method of executing them.

[massiveusername]

Alright, one, Azrael isn't a girl.

Of course not

2: How'd you get that last bit if you were kicked?

I simply picked myself up, dusted myself off and unbelievably managed to reconnect. Quite remarkable I know, but it is possible.

C - There is a little scrolly thingy at the bottom every now and then that says "Admin don't always wear tags..."

I believe that there is also a little "scrolly thingy" (must be a technical term) at the bottom that tells players to come here to report admin abuse. Hence this section of the forum, and my post.

Cuatro = Angel is a good player, and I doubt he was saying that Angel stole the rank from him, more likely Angel got number 1 because of killing Azrael so much.

That's an inane point. I posted it to show she's more-than-likely primarily concerned about her rank on the server rather than objectives, thus earning the honor of a comment from me. She then let out that gem-of-wisdom about how the hostages don't matter if someone is camping at the CT spawn. "Keep telling yourself that" is sarcasm, not arguing.

Five: Azrael isn't a pre-teen. I do, however, suspect that you are.

When I see a player continually crying about a better player possibly cheating and about losing(yes Amy, there is only one 'o' in the word and not two)her #1 rank, and then blatantly abusing her admin on a player that merely offered valid criticism with a hint of sarcasm by kicking said player...Whether it's physical age, or in mental age and attitude then yeah, my suggestion that the above player may possibly be a pre-teen is most likely not too far off in either aspect. Also, your suspicion is correct, I am only 7 years old. You've caught on you my charade and I bow my head in shame.

(3!) - You're coming in, complaining about this, and saying how horrible it is that you got kicked. Yeah, you did argue with the admin. Your response could have been taken as disrespecting the admin, so he had all the right to kick you.

Correction. I'm posting on your forum about an abusive admin as suggested by the "scrolly thingy" on your server. I believe I only typed a total of two things before I was kicked. That's certainly not enough time for an argument. Even if I had time to argue, which I had no intention of doing, she wouldn't have had much of an argument considering she would have been arguing against pure fact. "Azræl {haxed} : hostages dont matter if the other person is sitting at hostage palce" There was no way of knowing if Angel was waiting there, camping in market, camping in the apts or elsewhere. The bottom line is that if you're a CT and you run through the terrorist's spawn looking for an enemy, you make an attempt to rescue the hostages because it's your objective. The fact that Angel was waiting at CT spawn is a moot point because Azræl had no way of knowing that and would have failed miserably had he not been there. She had the right to kick me only for the fact that she was given that right by someone with poor judgment that's obviously not going to hold her accountable. Sticking up for clan members even when they're obviously in the wrong...Like I said in my original post, "Good luck".

*edit*
It's all in the server logs SiR. I only left out the reconnect dialogue and other things that didn't pertain to the incident.

[RaccoonsFury]

When exactly was "arguing with admins" an offense that warrants a kick? A sarcastic remark and "I'LL AWP IF I WANT U GAY ADMIN JERKFACE DUMHED JERK" are two completely different things. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't give you the right to remove them from the game unless they're being disruptive and screwing up the game for everyone.

You should take your finger off the kick-trigger, Church, and enjoy the game.

Anyone up for bringing back the "scroll thingy" that read "Watch out for Church, he gets abusive!"?

[Night Owl]

sirwhilms said:

If the story is true and has not been edited or made worse by omission... then I'd have to say that's pretty ridiculous. I am a pretty iron-fisted admin in my server but that is an absolutely stupid reason to kick someone.

On the subject of hosties - I'm not big on rescuing them if there's a teamate out there who will do it for me, but if it's up to me, I will rarely pass them up unless I know the enemy is not too far away. I prefer the faster method of executing them.

I'm just gonna come here to verify that that chat log is unmodified, I was there at time of event, and also wondered why Azrael didn't grab the hostages, and even thought about posting an Admin message along the lines of "Rescue those hosties!"

My personal feelings are as follows:

On one hand, I agree that it's silly to not grab the hostages, as long as you stay in front of them they don't really block you or get in your way... they're even set with collisions to jump back and get out of your way... But that's a different arguement. But it's also the objective... if no one did the objectives we'd just have two sets of people camping all game (which happens quite often anyway).

Secondly, this encounter seemed to drive away not just one but two potential new regulars... That A.C. Slater guy that was wondered why Dorothy here was kicked also seemed very confused by the whole situation and left soon afterwards. I understand wanting to make sure the rules are upheld, and it's not my place to say if Azrael was or was not justified in kicking them, but driving away people that were looking for a fun friendly enviroment in the first place seems to be contradictory to what AC is about.

On the other hand though, sarcasm is hard to detect online, and sometimes it's best not used as it comes across as rude anyway. But sometimes sarcasm can be used as joking between friends, it's very situational.

Also, the post starts out being very well thought out and mature towards solving the problem, until the accusations of Azrael acting like a pre-teen. Which is somewhat unfortunate.

[Caboose]

Okay, fine, maybe I was wrong. Maybe one single kick on one single person is god-forbidden admin abuse. I better not say anything over admin chat now, I might get called out for admin abuse...

So you're telling me that you're leaving our server because of immature admin. But then you decide to go back to the server, and to come back to our forums to see what's going on with the immature admin that you're complaining about... Why's that? Plan on coming back?

People have argued with me plenty on the server, especially about rules. Like the awp rule. It only takes one line of text to argue with someone... "Put down the awp, blah blah blah, rules and such, blah" "no, i can awp if i wnat" <---- argument

And I really don't think that Church is "obviously in the wrong" here. And still, Church is a guy, not a "she." But if it helps you sleep at night to think that you are doing something good against a girl, keep telling yourself that.

Oh, and just so you know, I really thought that your original post was going to be a nice and well thought out post like Night Owl said. And then you started calling Church a "she", how you were completely helpless in not having any way "of knowing that she was admin," the wonderful misspellings (even after you corrected Amy), and the whole pre-teen thing.

And Church never asked for admin.

[Amy]

caboose said:

Okay, fine, maybe I was wrong. Maybe one single kick on one single person is god-forbidden admin abuse.
*snip*
And Church never asked for admin.

In fact church, [glow=red,2,300]HE [/glow]never banned anyone. [glow=red,2,300]HE [/glow]only kicked the guy. Church- being a [glow=red,2,300]NICE [/glow][glow=red,2,300]GUY[/glow]- let him come right back and let the one in question continue playing.

[glow=red,2,300]He [/glow](church) did tell me that I could take [glow=red,2,300]HIS [/glow]admin for this, "maybe I was wrong" ... I don't think so.

for some ungodly reason this thing line breaks after every glow. oh well. gets the point across I guess.

[ŞíŘ]

The glows are done with <div>'s instead of <span>'s so they linebreak. Additionally, glow only works on IE because it is proprietary.

Frankly I don't think a three-line exchange warrents a kick from the server. It's not like what he said was even that bad.

[massiveusername]

But if it helps you sleep at night to think that you are doing something good against a girl, keep telling yourself that.

If you're going to start an argument, I'm leaving. *rimshot* Seriously though, it's the principal. I know she's not a girl, it just makes me feel like a big man to refer to her as one out of spite.

I wasn't trying to get anyone to lose their admin. This isn't detrain we're talking about here. This is just a wake-up call per se...check yourselves before you start kicking people for criticizing your mistakes in game, because some dork could create an account just to blow it way out of proportion and get everyone fired up over nothing.

*edit*
Oh yeah..."definitely"...my bad Cuboose.

[Caboose]

If you're going to start an argument, I'm leaving.

Damn, how witty. Why didn't I think of that.

Anyways, you made this thread and decided to come back 2 times to the forums not to get someone to lose his admin, but to show us that we all need to watch ourselves. I coulda sworn you said somethin' different in the beginning...

I'm not sure if this is the way you guys want your clan represented or if you just give admin to any pre-teen that asks for it nicely...but like I said at the beginning of my post, I'll find a better server to play on with responsible admins.

Nah, couldn't be...

[Amy]

I thought you were done to begin with massiveusername?

I mean, we already lost you as a regular, so you're going through an aweful lot of trouble to point out that Church did something wrong- the kick not the whole "I'm not going to rescue the hostages" thing. I'm guessing there is past history here with you since you won't come out and say who you are.

[massiveusername]

I coulda sworn you said somethin' different in the beginning...

Pay closer attention sweetie, because I said something different in the end as well...

because some dork could create an account just to blow it way out of proportion and get everyone fired up over nothing.

I couldn't care less about getting kicked by a bad admin. It's the principal, and it needed to be pointed out. If I had come here and made a simple post about it, it probably wouldn't have gotten much attention. Sometimes you've got to be melodramatic to get some recognition...and it seems that I have. Don't fear though, I'll be back on the server playing along side of you, and we'll all have a good time once again.

Oh yeah...Amy thinks I have some kind of past history here. I had an issue with an admin on your server a long time ago after I was slayed two rounds in a row for taking his gun from a dead CT that he didn't even kill. I made a big stink about it and he lost his admin, and I believe that he was eventually banned from the server. I can't imagine what he could have done to get himself banned though.*tongue-in-cheek* DeTrain anyone? I'd like to give the person that decided to let him have admin a pat them on the back and tell them "nice try".

Anyway, I got my point across, the majority is on my side (sans the attitude and "pre-teen" remarks) and I've lost interest in this now...but don't let that stop you from honoring me with another response if it still matters to you that much! Catch you on the server friends!