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Post by TEX on Jul 5, 2006 3:22:11 GMT -5
1. It is bad to keep a round chambered in a gun. Wears on the springs and may bend the hammer.
2. If you carry cocked, locked, or double action, unless you do absolutly nothing except exist all day long, you run the extreme risk of shooting yourself.
3. Arm reach is too close for me. Sphere of Influence Theory states that my area of control extends as far as I can touch something with any part of my body. Everything inside this area is under my awareness, and those I do not want in said area, I must make leave any way possible.
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Post by aceofspades on Jul 17, 2006 23:33:09 GMT -5
how many nukes have actually been used and effective during a war?
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 1:41:17 GMT -5
2
and they would have been just as effective if they were detonated on a non-inhabbited island close to mainland japan
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Post by B8 on Jul 18, 2006 12:10:56 GMT -5
You are judging a mentality of 50+ years ago. Detonating them on an offshore island would have had no effect on the military. The military was close to taking over from the government. Go back and study the time period more before offering opinions on what people would do or not do. The mindset would have shown a sign of weakness on our part. A demonstration detonation was discussed and discarded as being useless. The power of that weapon needed a full up demonstration and to do that required a detonation over a city. The first bomb was not enough to get them to quit. That WAS set off over a fully populated city.
Gets out a fat man bomb case and drops it on your foot. Now that I have demonstrated the power of this case do you understand what I am talking about? Dropping the case on an empty area had no hope of convincing you it would smash your foot. You have no experience to relate to so you ignore it.
Japan thought that we had lots more bombs and THAT is why they surrendered promptly after the second strike.
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 13:21:30 GMT -5
It only takes 2 bullets shot into the air to silence a bank...
The civilians are not hit, but they know that they could be, so they surrender
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Post by aceofspades on Jul 18, 2006 16:13:13 GMT -5
thats try, all you have to do is show someone what you can do and usually they dont want it to happen to them. and if they do theyre complete idiots.
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Post by Canadian Nose on Jul 18, 2006 20:24:51 GMT -5
*ignore this*
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 21:48:34 GMT -5
we're talking about WW2, usa had the only working nukes at the time
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Post by Canadian Nose on Jul 18, 2006 21:49:27 GMT -5
*Erases post.*
Oh my, whatever do you mean TEX?
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 21:58:11 GMT -5
right
no name calling. Stop the flame wars
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Post by B8 on Jul 19, 2006 12:58:43 GMT -5
OK so repeat the history lesson - we dropped one and it did nothing to get their attention. Big city vaporized. Results - zero, zip, Nada, nothing. Set another one off in the air no where near the population? Get less of a response. You logic needs a game theory lesson about how to win. The entire WW2 attack plan from the early Pacific campaigns was conducted with a game theory approach to win the war. The same thing was done quietly with the nuclear option. It worked, the war ended, we won. Grow some and realize that we have to do the same hard headed approach to problem solving today or as a county we will soon cease to exist. When some one threatens you you have two choices - win or die. I say win and live. If you want to do otherwise fine. I am glad that you do not have the status to decide for me.
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Post by aceofspades on Jul 19, 2006 13:08:26 GMT -5
im betting that if north korea dropped a nuke out in kansas that you would be running for cover.
and yes of corse your gonna win the war when you drop a bomb that destroys a whole city and they have nothing near as destructive to retaliate with. you'd just dig yourself in an even deeper hole.
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Post by B8 on Jul 19, 2006 13:22:02 GMT -5
If North Korea tries to drop a bomb on Kansas I hope to hell that the ballistic missile shield in Alaska works as it is designed to work. Do you remember that we set that up a while ago? Then I want to see N. Korea sent back to the stone ages. That would teach the enemies of this country not to mess with us. If you start a war with a 900 pound gorilla expect to get beat to death.
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Post by Canadian Nose on Jul 19, 2006 16:33:22 GMT -5
Yes, it would be stupid on their part, but have we ever considered them very smart? It should be the ones that are willing to be stoneaged (Iran) just to smite the evil west and kill there citizens, there children, their mothers that should worry you. Extremism is worse than insanity. Especially slightly justified extremism. -_-
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Post by TEX on Jul 20, 2006 3:07:20 GMT -5
no result? the second bomb was dropped 3 days after the first! we didn't even give them a chance to resolve anything! they didn't even know the first bomb had dropped untill about 12 hours later at the white house press release disclosing the attack! They didn't know they had been attacked before the american public knew it made the attack!
Even the creators of the bombs opposed their use, Szilard (head of the manhattan project) argued that, "If the Germans had dropped atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them."
Eisenhower wrote in his memoir The White House Years:
"In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."
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