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Post by TEX on Jul 5, 2006 3:35:58 GMT -5
"PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER" "PEACE THROUGH POWER"
There is no name for what I am, liberal for my radical (comunistic) views on government, but conservative-wait, no...- scratch that. I want change!
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Post by B8 on Jul 18, 2006 12:19:13 GMT -5
Communisim a failed experiment. No incentive no work. Give it up already as you are not producing anything useful from your work.
Definition of a communist:
A person who does not work for a goal, they drink constantly, and whine a lot.
Ask people who have escaped from that system from before the iron curtain was broken down. They will tell you it is insanity in motion.
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Post by Chu-Chu on Jul 18, 2006 12:53:44 GMT -5
Communism works if all individuals within the system are willing to work hard to make the world a better place. Sadly, there arn't enough people with that goal in mind.
~Chu
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 13:16:49 GMT -5
sry, but the cold war was between the usa and a soviet dictatorship disguised as a communist government.
True communism has no government, period.
If you ask any soviet communist today, he'll tell you he is a disciple of Lenin, not Stalin
Lenin's idea was what started the revolution, his notion that everyone was equal, that no man should work harder than any other, that no one should be paid more for the same work, people heard him... and followed him
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Post by Canadian Nose on Jul 18, 2006 20:40:12 GMT -5
And then got shot.. and died... and starved... and got drafted... and starved more....
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 21:57:33 GMT -5
Lenin died at a vary convienient time, he lived just long enough to think up communism but not long enough to see it take hold in his country.
I strongly believe that if Lenin hadn't died before the revolution, then capitolism would have lost the cold war not communism.
Stalin was a nut, he sucked as a leader, he sucked as a dictator, and he sucked as a husband. To call what Stalin gave russia communism is like calling Duke Nukom 3D for the PSX as good as F.E.A.R. for the PC. It's completly insulting
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Post by Canadian Nose on Jul 18, 2006 22:06:08 GMT -5
0_o. Er. ok. I playd the fear demo, was kinda coolish.
But, I agree, Lenin was obviously a better man, and Stalin was a massmurdering f**khead. However, Lenins idea was still flawed. He, during the end of his life, did become more power hungry. He never reached the level of Stalin, but people around him were getting anxious and greedy. He never lived to see his brilliant idea of communism in Russia fail. If not stalin, someone else. Lenin would not have lasted long.
To say if he hadnt died is crazy. He would have died. When you keep powerhungry people who used to have power from gaining power, there going to get pissed. And shoot you. Like they did.
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Post by TEX on Jul 18, 2006 22:10:26 GMT -5
That's just it!! Communism never really existed, so it never failed!
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Post by B8 on Jul 19, 2006 12:49:16 GMT -5
You tout an idea that you say never has existed and still pound your chest proclaiming that it is good. If it has not been brought into existence and almost 100 years have passed since it was thought up then maybe it should just be buried along with Castro.
If it has not yet been done why are you so much in love with it? Because it cannot be done? Because it has not been done? It is easy to love an idea that has no reality and may never have any reality. Try reality, dreaming up impossibilities just wastes a life.
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Post by Chu-Chu on Jul 19, 2006 13:09:33 GMT -5
The Communist way of life would not work in todays society. Humanity is too petty and greedy for it to truely work. If you want an example of how life could be if Communism worked, look at Star Trek. There is your Communist society.
~Chu
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Post by B8 on Jul 19, 2006 13:16:13 GMT -5
Star Trek? That capitalist dream world of a place. You are looking at a Federation Starship crew. They are not the society nor are they the People who run things. They are a paramilitary operation running under a bunch of worlds that are "Federated". What ever that means. There are traders making money out in space and they run into the bad guys selling Tribbles, love slaves, wives, as well as food and medicine. Capitalists all of them. So how do you derive a communist society from any of that?
Mumbles over beer, now a 1960's show is a communist show. If it had any leaning in that direction it would never have made it past the network censors - yes censors. Good old capitalist censors to the rescue.
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Post by Canadian Nose on Jul 19, 2006 16:38:30 GMT -5
True, communism has never failed. Its never succeded either. And its never succesfully been implanted.
Say Gramps has never been shot. Ok, so he didnt FAIL to block the bullet with his hand. That doesnt mean it can. Should we try it? Is it worth the hole in the hand or death, like communism worth another Cold War or 1960's Russia picture, with millions of peasants dying?
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Post by Chu-Chu on Jul 19, 2006 17:39:08 GMT -5
I wasn't refering to the incepid crew of the enterprise or anything. I was refering to Earth. It's at peace, one system of government, which is decided for the better of all mankind. They abolished money, diseases, hate... Think about it... Everyone on Earth, and on starships and such, made the choice to be there out of want, not money! sounds communistic to me!
~Chu
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Post by TEX on Jul 20, 2006 3:18:11 GMT -5
how many times must I say it!!!
Russia was never communist!, Cuba is not communist!, Korea is not communist!, communism has never been tried!
And it's different than your example. In your case, we know what would happen, the laws of physics tells us that because your skin has just the right amount of molecular tension to cause the bullet not to pass right through your hand, but not be stopped by it either. In my case, we don't know exactly what would happen. It could fail, or it could be ok, or it could become better than capitolism, we don't know
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Post by Chu-Chu on Jul 20, 2006 8:50:20 GMT -5
I'm not saying communism works has been tried or will fail. I'm just saying... Startrek is communist! and maybe a little nazi, you seen those uniforms?
~Chu
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